They describe a thoroughly redundant action, but do not imply that it’s speech. I feel like “preaching to the choir” covers a spectrum from “I already agree with you, you don’t need to go on” to “she’s trying to convince people, but only people who already agree seem interested” to “she’s deliberately inflating an impression of consensus by soliciting greater agreement from people who already agree”. Categories. (Repubs thInkIng, not mIne)Our language draws from a rich diversity of sources and religion is part of that. >:) But I know I’m not the only one who cares about this. I don’t know numbers, but it must be multiple times higher for some women, and possibly less for some. When the public understands they have a choice, they will demand it.

“Explaining the word ‘theory’ to a scientist”.

Moreover, spin-offs such as a print magazine, a service-oriented website, and podcast offers have the potential to transform passive viewers into more active information seekers and eventually sustainability” followers”. 3) Persuading the convinced (Perfectly accurate but lacking the analogy) Every atheist gets to make their own judgments about whether a certain word or phrase has become sufficiently secularized for them to feel comfortable using it. Search for: Search. What to say when someone says global warming is a hoax or that angels exist is not. I think the alternative idiom would also depend on how you want to use the idea of “preaching to the choir”. “He/she’s in a better place,” for instance, makes a person look childish and unable to deal with the reality of death. * I think many of the others were too narrowly or specifically typecast, or they did not completely and accurately convey the point, or they had negative associations (Such as maniac)… so personally, these are the one I would stick with. How about something like, selling Greta sexy shoes? note = "null ; Conference date: 02-06-2007 Through 05-06-2007", Chapter in Book/Report/Conference proceeding, International Society of Marketing and Development, The 32nd Annual Macromarketing Conference. My husband;s 91 year-old granny said “fuck!” regularly. I bet there’s way more important things to do than post on blogs, too! My mother would often say, “but that’s bringing coals to newcastle” where others might say “preaching to the choir”. They piped up that “we” were ALL on her team! I like Lecturing to the Faculty, too, though I’m sure someone like PZed would raise more than a skeptical eyebrow at the implied assumption that the rest of the faculty agrees with him on a given topic…. Maybe, if you can do more than one thing at a time, we can too! All content is copyright the authors except where otherwise noted. She is author of, The Orbit is a diverse collective of atheist and nonreligious bloggers committed to social justice, within and outside the secular community. Because yes, you already like/want/have shoes, like the choir already has religion. Subtract Hominem says: handing a soda to the hyper kid, (okay the last couple probably go beyond the concept at hand). I don’t like the way that religion permeates the language. No fucking respite, or place to feel safe without being reminded of their inequality and threat to violence because they aren’t taken seriously enough to respect their fucking situation.

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If not already on the list somewhere: And there’s a particular phrase I’m trying to find a particular secular alternative for: “Preaching to the choir.” It’s an important concept, and one that comes up a lot — the concept of talking to/ persuading people who already agree with you. Singing/calling/shouting in the echo chamber. (The link goes to a YouTube video of it). Doesn’t seem to have quite the same ring to it, but I’d love to see what some other creatives think up!

I tweeted this to you, but just in case you miss it: “lecturing to the faculty”. I think you get my drift. I thought the ethics of belief was settled among atheists, so disappointed yet again. I think this is already in use, but, Playing to the orchestra. I’m not sure I see why a secular alternative is needed for “preaching to the choir”, as the religious aspect of the phrase is being used purely as a metaphor for something non-religious. Or maybe “seducing the wanton”? Anyone who is “preaching to the choir” is not only abusing their authority–but they are doing so in an incompetent way in terms of their own subjective goals. Can we try and make ‘preach to the choir’ a pejorative term? Of the ones suggested, I like “rallying the cheerleaders”. However, in this case I think that “preaching to the choir” is perfectly appropriate. Become a Culture Change Evangelist. The preacher is trying to persuade/control/direct the group to do something/know something. But I like some of the new ones people have come up with. IIRC, “R.I.P.” is short for the Latin “requiescat in pace” (“reck-wee-ESS-cot in POCK-eh”). Rest in Peace, for example, implies nothing religious or spiritual, so I don’t understand why that phrase is so offensive. Instead of dampening the effect of religion on your culture, you’re making it stronger. As for “preaching to the choir” how about “I’m telling you something you already know”?

How about, as others have said, just use “Preaching to the choir?” I, too, am an outspoken atheist, but, I think, if our goal is to encourage perspectives to broaden, it’s best not to come up with different terms that’ll likely cause the true meaning to be lost. Having just complete EAH I have to say that this is a fabulous curriculum that will really open your mind to all the little nooks and crannies of our communities that need to hear this message. If someone is being deliberately self-referential, that’s exactly when the echo-chamber metaphor is appropriate, indeed, better than “preaching to the choir” because its more specific. Need Help Navigating the COVID-19 Outbreak? And there is an accepted alternative to saying “Gesundheit” after somebody sneezed: saying nothing. And every atheist gets to decide for themselves whether they even care about this. Not sure who wrote or recorded it originally, but both Joan Baez and Phil Ochs sang it beautifully, and it conveys a much better sentiment than the icky theistic “There But For the Grace of God.”. And every atheist gets to decide for themselves whether they even care about this.”, “I’m working on purging religious language out of my vocabulary. Deducing to the Sherlockians. This is the kind of thing that makes people think atheists are weird, unrelatable, and maybe even cult-like groups of people. Though it is a silly superstition, “gesundheit” comes across to me as “I hope you feel better” whereas “bless you” comes across as “I better give you a blessing in case you die.” It’s morbid. I personally use it with the meaning of “that’s a misdirection of effort” and that it says something about the one doing the “preaching”; the “waste of time” also pretty common usage too, I guess. (As former preacher and Atheist Nexus founder Richard Haynes said at the Atheist Alliance of America conference last weekend, “Sure, you preach to the choir — that’s how you get them to sing.”).

tv, something that takes a heck of a lot of science to work, yet shows reruns of things that are way out of date, rare good new stuff(mostly utter crap sold as the greatest idea), lot of infomercials for things that are useless, possibly dangerous, but ya just gotta buy… perhaps too easy to relate science to religion with it, might work. I submit “Selling to the sold”, without looking to see if that’s already been suggested . Moreover, spin-offs such as a print magazine, a service-oriented website, and podcast offers have the potential to transform passive viewers into more active information seekers and eventually sustainability” followers”. But again, my guess would be that at least 90 percent are Culture Change supporters. Moreover, spin-offs such as a print magazine, a service-oriented website, and podcast offers have the potential to transform passive viewers into more active information seekers and eventually sustainability” followers”. Certainly, most people reading blogs from The Eden Alternative are members of our tribe, or are interested in becoming members. Umm… what’s wrong with “rest in peace”? You could tweak it to be more clearly redundant but it already suffers from being a bit of a mouthful. It doesn’t have quite the same connotation of an uncritical audience as “preaching to the choir”, but it does imply speech specifically, and that you’re trying to persuade an audience to accept what they already have lots of. “teaching fish to swim” It is time to push our movement forward and get out of our comfort zones. There are way more important things to do than ‘cleanse’ the language of perfectly harmless & useful phrases because of their original connotations, which mostly no longer apply. Amateur, dilettante, nonprofessional, untrained when referring to an interest or activity in science or archaeology can give quite the wrong impression. The other connotation is that the statement is indeed worthy of wider distribution, but it’s not being shared outside the group that already accepts it. Catering to a crowd might work, in the sense that the crowd wants to hear something, and a speaker provides what they want. Should we talk differently to people who more or less agree with us than we do to those who don’t? 230 Downloads (Pure) Abstrakt. Dr. Bill Thomas is advocating for a stronger stance. Teaching birds to sing, bees to buzz, etc. Something that conveyed an element of the canto/respondu would be satisfying apposite. I like the “teaching fish to swim” the most. Merry Christmas = Hail Satan 4) Pitching to the sales team. Why Are You Atheists So Angry? etymology of scot-free (scot = tax) This strikes me as sIlly as changing the name of French fries to freedom fries to disassociate our own national manliness from those effeminate French.

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